well, toys r us are having special hours today, they opened at 8:00. and just about an hour ago, there were about half a dozen people in the line. ask now it extends about three dozen or more people down the line. sears and walmart will be opening at 8:00. target plans to open at 9:00, that is three hours earlier than last year, and other stores such as best buy are sticking to their midnight times, but they're offering up deep discounts, like laptops up to $180 to draw people in, people who are waiting are saying that it's worth it for the deals, and some away they came for the fun of it, but certainly during they say tough economic times, they're looking for some of the deals as these stores want to keep these lines running. >> now we go to kara lou with that best buy in emeryville with why experts say that online shopping could affect the black friday turn out this year. >> reporter: well, heather this is one of the healthier lines, and as the wraps around the store. more than 165 people in line. but customers tell me that this is a substantially sh